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markh June 7th, 2010 01:48 PM

'37 Volkster Coupe
 
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Before the Roadster show I had no idea of what I wanted to build after the bugtruck. That was until I saw some amazing '37 Ford roadster coupes.

Since, I have been trying to figure out how to take the styling of a '37 Ford and merge it with a bug. Well, I think I have an idea.

Already contacted BGW Spectre about their '37 Ford parts and they were kind enough to send along a photo of the front fenders. Nice glass work but I THINK the bug will need extended to achieve the proportions similar to the '37 Ford front end. By mounting their fiberglass fenders in the stock location just isn't going to cut it. So it will take a lot of head scratching and cutting but I think I can be done???

To Start:
Source '37 front hood, fenders, grill, running boards, rear fenders and trunk lid. (that's all)
A pre-'67 convertible
Suicide the doors
Beam extender
Source airride bag kit. (yup she's gonna get bagged.)

To Finish:
Something like this:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...terconcept.jpg
Or
Attachment 24497

Just wanted to throw this idea out there at get your
Thoughts?
Suggestions?

tattooed_pariah June 7th, 2010 01:59 PM

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:thumbsup: not sure if you plan on using an actual '37 ford front or just one of the fiberglass shells..

I have the WunderBug fiberglass kit and my only suggestion is to look closely at the latch system and possibly replace it.. I lost my hood once on the freeway, luckily it was at about 3am so no cars behind me to run it over, and the rivets ripped clean off the hinges, but it's still something I don't want to go through again..

briancustoms June 7th, 2010 02:16 PM

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Do it! It's not something I would build, so you don't have to worry about me copying this one, but it looks like an awesome idea. :funny::thumbsup:

HeidelbergJohn4.0 June 7th, 2010 02:24 PM

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I think that has good potential. They alwats look like they need the cowl stretched a couple inches as well as the space between the door and the front fender. Maybe an actual chassis stretch. Maybe find a cowl from a 71 or 72 super and relocating the trunk opening forward even a couple inches would give it better proportions. Old cars need that long hood. I think you could graft the super cowl and then relocate the standard Hood forward. We've seen your skills!

markh June 7th, 2010 02:59 PM

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Thinking I'm going to go with steel and shy away from glass. Been doing a lot of reading about glass work...looks difficult.

I'll certainly need to stretch something (everything) on the front end to duplicate that longer Ford nose. Like the idea about extending the cowl.

And Brian...well..ok, I'll do it! I promise to paint it shiney for you too! By the way, let's see some updated photos on that 5-window!

c1run1 June 7th, 2010 04:20 PM

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Go for it , you have the skills looks bitchin !

bugdust June 7th, 2010 04:33 PM

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Why a pre-67 vert? 65+ are the same basic body and 68+ are a lot cheaper and easier to find.

Cat Box June 7th, 2010 04:38 PM

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I cannot wait to see it take shape. Talking with you about it on saturday got me all excited to see it and low and behold there is the rough draft.

fishguts June 7th, 2010 04:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markh (Post 466134)
Thinking I'm going to go with steel and shy away from glass. Been doing a lot of reading about glass work...looks difficult.


Trust me, 'glass is a LOT easier than steel. I've done plenty of both. The BGW '37 parts (not too hard to find used) are a good place to start unless you have some very deep pockets and want to start picking up street rod parts.

I've been thinking about doing a properly proportioned '37 Ford look for years (since about '82). I put together a Bug with '37 nose and molded over the fenders and added separate headlights (same ones that are now on Voltsrat). Later, I cut out the smoothed over fenders and added '37 Ford headlights. It looked real good. I still have the headlights thinking I might one day do this, but it's looking more and more like Voltsrat may well be my last big project.

I'll dig around in my computer and see if I can come up with some pics of my old Bug and some of the '37 concept sketches I was working on. Go for it, man!

Palepainter June 7th, 2010 05:43 PM

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I have dug both of your last VW's. Inspirational and creative. I think this one has a lot of potential, but I would only consider buying the fenders and fabbing the rest. You have the skills.

Did you sell the truck already?

carcentric June 7th, 2010 06:34 PM

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I have a '49(?) Chevy pickup hood that might be useful if you cut off the lower area so it's flatter. PM me if you're interested in it.

briancustoms June 7th, 2010 06:54 PM

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I'm with Fishguts, 'glass is way much easier to work with than steel. But at the same time, not as impressive sounding when you tell people it's not steel.

bulletz June 7th, 2010 07:46 PM

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If you can pull of getting the profile right then go for it!..
and as the others have said, you've got the skills to do it in steel :bow:

markh June 7th, 2010 08:39 PM

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Wow, thanks. Some great input. As far as the year for a convertible??? I guess you are right Bugdust, it really doesn't matter so long as it's not a super. That's good news, means lower donor cost. The vert is just for the doors, cowl, window frame and the structural aspect. Bugdust I'd like to see those concepts you have as well.

I've been scouring craigslist and have seen some good deals on 'glass fenders and hoods. Grills are another thing. If I can find a good enough deal on steel front fenders and hood, perhaps making due with some glass rear fender might help things moving?

Carcentric, I'm very familiar with those hoods...I see what you're saying about the top section. The challenge I think might be re-shaping the nose to a point so the front grill would work?

I'm realizing the challenge is going to be in the lengh and width. of the vert donor. The fun will be trying to pull it off without losing too much money in case I botch it.

Deep pockets? No, I'm married. Can I keep it and build this one too? Not if I want to remain married.

Did I sell the truck already?........well......I'm 99.95% sure it's going to a new garage in the very near future. It was a lot of fun to build, show and not to mention drive (200 miles and counting!!) but I've got that itch to scratch.

Thanks for the feedback and confidence boost.

Wraithblade June 7th, 2010 08:54 PM

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I think you could get the look with out that much work really look up black bugs on YouTube and add that funky hood some people have here rework factory fenders in the front and rear should look the same minus maybe being shorter.

fishguts June 8th, 2010 02:42 AM

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OK, brace yourself ... here come a bunch of photos. Like I said, I've been thinking of this for some time.

The first few are of the Bug I built about 25 years ago.

I think one of these might even be based on a photo you posted a while back! The last one has fenders from a '37 photoshopped in. It's the one I think probably works best.

Most are pretty sketchy as I never intended to publish them but was just working through ideas. Maybe something here will be of help. You certainly have the skills to make it happen and it's really unlikely I'll ever get around to it. It would be cool to see this come to life.

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/carscapguts5.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/carscapguts6.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/buginfo2.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/bugconcept23.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/bugconcept7.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/bugconcept14.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/bugconcept49.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/bugsled.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/bugpanel.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/bug36basis.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/bug36.jpg

38Chevy454 June 8th, 2010 05:27 AM

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If you need any actual 37 Ford measurements, let me know, I have a 37 Ford Ute (same front end as coupe and sedan).

Flipper_1938 June 8th, 2010 05:34 AM

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With the swoopy, low-cut tail end, how are you going to deal with clearance with the alternator and cooling fan?

UT-X June 8th, 2010 06:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fishguts (Post 466229)
OK, brace yourself ... here come a bunch of photos. Like I said, I've been thinking of this for some time.


http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/bug36.jpg


Hey Fish - looks like you captured some sort of rift in the space-time continuum on/around the cars in your pics. You might want to contact NASA.

Rumblewagen June 8th, 2010 07:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markh (Post 466222)

Did I sell the truck already?........well......I'm 99.95% sure it's going to a new garage in the very near future. It was a lot of fun to build, show and not to mention drive (200 miles and counting!!) but I've got that itch to scratch.

I just wish it was my garage, I love the way the truck turned out. :love:

markh June 8th, 2010 08:01 AM

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The blue and red rendition is like you picked it out of my head!! Freaky weird. I like all of them! I want to build them all! The Blue truck concept is super cool, all of them are super cool! Thanks Fishguts. Love the hi-boys too.

I don't think there will be any clearance issue with the rear decklid. When I built the Stoll coupe, the rear modified decklid had plenty of clearance. The heb decklid lines are similiar. Worst case, I go with a pancake motor?

38Chevy454, thanks for the offers on the measurements, that would be great! My renditions are obviously not scale so I suspect some real measurements will help greatly before I decide glass or steel. I'll connect with you via PMs to get some of those.

Black bugs on youtube, gotcha. Will check it out.

With all of the assistance, this build should be a piece of cake.

Received an email this morning....looks like the truck is heading to HAWAII!! It will be parking next to the Stoll Coupe.

carcentric June 8th, 2010 09:07 AM

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Congrats! :dancing::dancing:

Al Low Ha June 10th, 2010 12:42 AM

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Hawaii...? Ho Brah, which Island? Who's the guy?

Mark, make it the way you want...we all know it'll be bitchen! Just keep us posted!
Fish, I'm in love with that black sedan delivery!

Aloha!

Al Low Ha June 10th, 2010 12:44 AM

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Oh and mark...since it gonna be modded out...you can use an early super vert with the flat windshield 71-2!!
Aloha

Mikelrome June 28th, 2010 10:52 AM

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Did ya see this thing on the samba?
http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/688025.jpg

motherlodephoto June 28th, 2010 02:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikelrome (Post 469194)
Did ya see this thing on the samba?
http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/688025.jpg

I saw this car when at the Classic a couple weeks ago... interesting, but when viewed from the rear, the roof slopes to the passenger side... quite a bit. Love the front end though.

motherlodephoto June 28th, 2010 03:01 PM

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Heres a couple I took of the 37ish bug at the classic. You can see the uneven roof to "starboard" side.
[IMG]http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/IMG_1031.jpg[/IMG]

motherlodephoto June 28th, 2010 03:04 PM

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http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/IMG_1033.jpg

markh June 28th, 2010 03:42 PM

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Al Low Ha, the truck IS going to Lawrence in Waipahu, Hawaii. Not too familiar with Hawaii, sorry.

Lawrence bought my Stoll coupe a little over a year ago. Really great guy. Someone who appreciates unique.

...Yeah I saw that wild looking car over on the samba. I like the flow of the grill and hood top section, but not the lower section between the front fenders where the apron once was or the dropping bodyline of the front hood. I'm thinking more along the same "lines" as the Ford hood and side panels.

Getting anxious. Been scouring all of craigslist for sheetmetal '37 Ford front and rear fenders, hood, grill, hood side panels, running boards and front cowl. Reading that, it sounds like I should just buy a complete '37 and scrap what I don't use? Might be cheaper??

Anyway, thanks for keeping the ideas flowing. Mark

Palepainter June 28th, 2010 06:21 PM

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Good luck with the hunt Mark. I know it must have been tough to sell the last one. But certainly, anything from you in the future will top the last one.

That black one is pretty cool, but some of it looks like it could have been resolved a bit better. I would have taken the peak down the center of the rear fenders and tied it back into the rear aprons. The front could have been resolved a bit different to flow better too.

Despite a couple things that stand out to me, it is a cool car and I would roll the hell out it.

markh July 25th, 2010 02:35 PM

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Well, started acquiring parts finally. Going to start a new build thread for the Volkster. Drove over 350 miles today to pick up front fenders, front bumper, hood sides, running boards, dash, and a rear fender. This is going to be fun....Oh, will be picking up a 67 bug with airride front and rear and a 1776 with dual Dellorto carbs and new pans. Perfect donor to start.

Here's one of the fenders! Sexy!
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...7-25-10001.jpg
Wednesday, the 28th of July, the bugtruck gets loaded on a trailer on it's way to the Matson port out of Seattle destined for Hawaii. On the way back home, stopping to load the airide 67 on the same trailer. Garage space will be at a minimum.

Flipper_1938 July 27th, 2010 12:57 PM

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Anxiously awaiting the first cuts.

....:sawzall::AssScratch::sawzall::welder::clappin g:

markh July 29th, 2010 07:29 AM

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Anyone know where I might be able to find a steel '37 Ford coupe hood and grill? I need these two items to start pulling measurements before I make those first cuts.

Speaking of cutting up, I picked up my donor 67 bug with a working air ride suspension and a strong 1776 with dual Dellortos. Will get photos up soon.

markh August 30th, 2010 07:33 AM

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Give me 30 hours, a sawzall and here is where it sits as of last night. After three weeks of scrounging parts and patience, finally making progress.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...h/endofday.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...arklh/dash.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...h/IMAG0041.jpg

I'll be updating my build thread with more progress shots that took me this far. This was the easy part, now it's structural integrity, mounting frames and supports and designing the rear end.

Thoughts? Ideas?

Unkl Ian August 30th, 2010 07:39 AM

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Looks sweet so far.

jaransonT3 August 30th, 2010 07:46 AM

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:bow::bow:

Wow! That front end is looking great. Nice work. I like that you are keeping the hood low and I presume are going to be cutting down the grill to match.

As for the rear.....the problem I always have with the Heb-like cars (including to some extent the original Heb) is that the rear end is too high and bulbous in order to fit the upright Type 1 cooling fan and intake in there. I would love to see one done with a Type 3 motor with the proper ducting to get the cooling right. It would be about impossible in a regular Beetle due to the lack of space rearward of the engine....

...but it looks like you have the longer stretched '37 rear fenders on this, so you should have plenty of room. The questions is where to pull the air in from the outside. Should have plenty of room immediately behind the rear of the passenger compartment for some tasteful vents....could even do it from inside the rear fender wells if you filtered it.

Going the Type 3 cooling route would let you have a relatively flat rear decklid/trunklid that would be much closer visually to the 37 Hood.

Just my 3 cents. No matter what you do, I am sure it will look killer.

Palepainter August 30th, 2010 08:05 AM

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Going to be your nicest yet!

Timbo August 30th, 2010 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jaransonT3 (Post 477853)
:bow::bow:

Wow! That front end is looking great. Nice work. I like that you are keeping the hood low and I presume are going to be cutting down the grill to match.

As for the rear.....the problem I always have with the Heb-like cars (including to some extent the original Heb) is that the rear end is too high and bulbous in order to fit the upright Type 1 cooling fan and intake in there. I would love to see one done with a Type 3 motor with the proper ducting to get the cooling right. It would be about impossible in a regular Beetle due to the lack of space rearward of the engine....

...but it looks like you have the longer stretched '37 rear fenders on this, so you should have plenty of room. The questions is where to pull the air in from the outside. Should have plenty of room immediately behind the rear of the passenger compartment for some tasteful vents....could even do it from inside the rear fender wells if you filtered it.

Going the Type 3 cooling route would let you have a relatively flat rear decklid/trunklid that would be much closer visually to the 37 Hood.

Just my 3 cents. No matter what you do, I am sure it will look killer.

Short intake manifolds and a Puma fsn shroud from CB Performance will give you some room.
http://cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=1523

Rod looks great. :bow: I can hear the samba purist already.:yelling:
Tim

markh August 30th, 2010 08:24 AM

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Thanks guys.
I have no problem cutting up a bug...It's the cutting up of a '37 Ford that caused me the anxiety. Yes the grill will be cut down 8 bars. Little nervous about cutting up $400 and doing it wrong!!
Because this car will probably never see rain, and the extra width in the rear, I should have no problem drawing air in from the fenderwell area.

I'm going to attempt the upright motor. Haven't even started pulling metal (or hair) for that task. Mark

Oh, I got my build thread updated.

Unkl Ian August 30th, 2010 09:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 477859)
Short intake manifolds and a Puma fsn shroud from CB Performance will give you some room.
http://cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=1523


Still have to clear the Alternator/Generator pulley.

Might be possible to cut down a Corvair fan and shroud.

PJLOval August 30th, 2010 10:27 AM

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Man I'm really loving the progress so far. You might want to consider pulling molds when you get it all in primer. If you get the proportions right you might have a really cool kit in the making. Might even be cool to have a custom chassis to get that front end out there where it belongs.

Hebster52 August 30th, 2010 11:39 AM

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Damn you Mark! Have you seen all the drawings and sketches I did back in the 80's?:Idunno::funny::funny::funny::wink:

This was one of my dream builds back then... We had this 37 bodyshell lying around in the bushes at my parents house back then and I had exactly the same plans for that body adapted to beetle body...

Really like the mockups so far!!! :bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

markh August 30th, 2010 01:00 PM

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That's funny Hebster! It was Fishguts that submitted all the early renditions...haven't seen yours sorry. Well, at least you know that your idea will really work...putting 37 stuff on a bug. I suppose if PJLOval knew of someone that wanted to pull a mold, we could make that dream of yours come true??

What am I saying...you could build this thing with your eyes closed and probably half scale with one hand tied behind your back?

When I widen the rear, I have my fingers crossed that there will be ample room side to side and over the top??

I think a trip to an old classic car junk yard will turn up a rear coupe trunk lid, hinges and frame that just MIGHT take care of any motor carb clearance?

UT-X August 30th, 2010 03:40 PM

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Damn Mark that looks nice!!

1jarhead2 August 31st, 2010 03:10 AM

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Wicked. I think I just fell in love.

"cashthepainter August 31st, 2010 04:31 AM

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new here so hello every one, this is what i am talken about! can we see more detial pictures of your build?

Zombie August 31st, 2010 04:36 AM

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Wow...I'm really impressed! Followed a few of your build threads and always thought your stuff was way out there in terms of creativity but this one tops them all! You, Sir, have vision! :bow:

purplemyth August 31st, 2010 04:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by "cashthepainter (Post 477991)
new here so hello every one, this is what i am talken about! can we see more detial pictures of your build?


http://www.volksrods.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31397

fishguts August 31st, 2010 06:34 AM

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It's looking even better than I imagined. :clapping:

markh August 31st, 2010 07:25 AM

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Tonight I'm picking up the front cowl section off a '37. Once I have that final piece, I think I'll cut off the bug cowl off and use that for the rear decklid. I know most have used a Super windshield frame to get the arch, but since I have the convertible clip, I don't think I'll need the super piece. Plus I have the front bug hood to cut up.

Last night, also decided to place the gas tank in the rear between the original firewall and the vert firewall. Build a compartment between the two thereby blocking the fuel compartment off from the cab compartment. Just making this stuff up as I go!!

garlos August 31st, 2010 08:58 AM

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Oh dude that's cool..

HeidelbergJohn4.0 August 31st, 2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by markh (Post 478014)
Last night, also decided to place the gas tank in the rear between the original firewall and the vert firewall. Build a compartment between the two thereby blocking the fuel compartment off from the cab compartment. Just making this stuff up as I go!!

I like that. I've never liked where the fuel tank was mounted in a bug.

Steve September 2nd, 2010 09:42 PM

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I love this project!! :dancing:

markh September 3rd, 2010 08:04 AM

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Thanks Steve, I sent you an email.

Just received my 10" extender from Dbug41 THANKS DOUG! That was fast and the quality on this thing is amazing! THANKS! Oh, I gave my 3 y/o son and 15 y/o daughter one of the smaller stickers and they were very happy. Kept the big one for myself of course!

I've also decided to suicide the doors just to keep me busy. Never done suicide doors but have followed enough build thread on here to see it's possible.

Been looking at all the various hinge and latch kits and it appears not all kits are treated equally. Seen prices range from $99 - 349. Is there a preference in kits that anyone might recommend? Thanks.

jkien65 September 3rd, 2010 10:05 AM

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Look at Bugroadsters kits. He has the slim line ones for bug doors.

hotrodgary September 3rd, 2010 10:46 AM

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Love it, will def be cool!! -Gary

Dbug41 September 3rd, 2010 06:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markh (Post 478325)

Just received my 10" extender from Dbug41 THANKS DOUG! That was fast and the quality on this thing is amazing! THANKS! Oh, I gave my 3 y/o son and 15 y/o daughter one of the smaller stickers and they were very happy. Kept the big one for myself of course!



:hello:No problemo Happy to assist you in your build
POST MORE PICS:funny:

Cat Box September 4th, 2010 09:53 PM

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Nifty the man. looks good so far.

hotsauce September 4th, 2010 09:59 PM

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Holy crap, this car is going to be gorgeous.

reub-revhead September 10th, 2010 02:09 PM

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Friggin cool dude

c1run1 September 10th, 2010 02:22 PM

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Outstanding Pile !
I got first dibs ..LOL

markh September 10th, 2010 06:57 PM

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Well I had one of those days...when you are going and going, thinking you are making some good progress...ideas are just flowing, you're cutting away, tacking, thinking this is IT, I'VE GOT IT! Well, after about 5 hours of tackling what I thought was a good idea for the rear quarter panels and rear fenders, I came up with this:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...h/IMAG0108.jpg
And this...
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...h/IMAG0112.jpg
And this..
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...h/IMAG0111.jpg
Stood back and only to then realize...yup, this is NOT it.
I felt like someone wronged me. Like I should fire the guy that came up with such a crappy plan. What a pile of poop! Two days later and now looking at the above photos, I feel like I still got shafted. The fenders mounting idea...all wrong. The shape of the rear quarters...all wrong. The front/rear decklid angle...yup all wrong. I'm going to need meds.

If anyone sees anything "right' about the way the rear looks, please let me know. But I have a feeling the census will be, "go back to the drawing board and do it again!"

Unkl Ian September 10th, 2010 07:18 PM

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The fender looks good.


Would T3 cooling help ? :Idunno:

Or how about 3" longer trailing arms,
then move the motor forward.

Might give you enough clearance to
make the deck flow the way it should.

Hebster52 September 10th, 2010 09:42 PM

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Does the rearfenders go further back than original beetle fenders? In that case type-3 cooling woulf be a good alternative?

Fender looks good IMO.:thumbsup:

1jarhead2 September 10th, 2010 10:06 PM

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What about splitting the rear fender at the factory 37 Ford crown and then splitting the original VW fender at the same point and marry the two together. It will take a little hammer and bag and then english wheel or a plenishing hammer to get the right radius on the Vw side but then the fenders would bolt right back onto the VW body.
Another way might be to use the VW bug fenders but stretch them to the width you need and then add the last 1/3 of the trailing fender from the 37 Ford ,then weld a small rod up the middle of the whole fender to get your 37 Ford fender peak. pencil mark is to indicate cut and use trailing piece to the left of mark to make the transition for rear of fender. Just an idea to create a ton of sheetmetal work.

What about narrowing the trunk lid off of a 1938-1940 Ford coupe to make that rear deck lid radius work with the fenders? Okay its 1:37 am and I just came in from the shop where we are building a 1932 Ford Pickup so I have too much Henry Ford on the mind and not enough sleep. Good Luck and I know it will turn out even better than the last two awesome VWs you have built.

Flipper_1938 September 11th, 2010 09:30 AM

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Ever thought about boat-tailing the back?

KdFmangler September 11th, 2010 09:38 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
this car is streight bad . i love it!

Palepainter September 11th, 2010 10:23 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Looking great so far Mark. What about taking the rear curved section of a bug roof and grafing that in for a better transition of the hump? Flipping it around? Doesn't look like you are too far off, but I see what you are saying. You could still transition the body lines in the roof section in to the hood.

FONZY September 11th, 2010 11:21 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
looks good to me.
I think you could pull off a merged stinger out the back directly under a sloped down boat tail type deck on that no problem. ya want that fender RIGHT where it is. ideally ya want to slop the decklid area down and flat as possible to juuuust clear the engine/alternator. look at original late 30's stuff ... thats what they did and it works wonderfully.

good luck mang!

FONZY September 11th, 2010 11:24 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
...and now that i look closer i see yer woah.

the 'hood section you grafted in is too tall... needs to be sectioned down so the line from the trailing edge of the back of the roof section flows downhill to meet that front hood section... make sense? if you take the hood section off, cut out the inner support structure from it, then flatten it ot a bit on the ground, shave it to fit *will be too wide* should getcha goin in the right direction again:)

or .. or maybe just slide the whole thing south about 6-8". the trick is that part of the hood is too flat... most times when guys are building a 'hebmuller' style rear deck they use more of the center or middle section of the front hood... more curves in it ...

markh September 11th, 2010 04:46 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Oh this is great. T-3 cooling I don't think will be necessary but it's an option if I find the rear decklid curve interferes.

1jarhead2 - made a trip out to a local classic car junk yard to find an early trunk lid but nothing really matched up to the lines of the fenders. I wish I could find a rear trunk lid and rear quarter panels off a 37 coupe! But I will tackle the rear tomorrow. See if it's possible to use some of the roof metal.

Palepainter, I think you have something there with the roof metal.

Fonzy, I'm following...the front hood section that is on there needs to be flattened out and spread between the fenders. I'm going to split the rear down the middle and spread it. I think I'm going to pull some sheetmetal off the roof, flatten out the widened cowl section and hood section and see if it's possible to blend the two together?

On the rear apron section, I think I'll spilt the front clip as well as the rear bug clip and see if I can get one of them to work for the lower apron. Boat tailing the rear would add another degree of complication so I think trying the above might get me somewhere off stuck.

Thanks for the advice guys. Let's see what happens Sunday.

markh September 12th, 2010 09:03 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Ok...Took everything and went to town today. Updated my build thread, but wanted to let everyone see where their comments led me.

Still have to cut in the rear decklid and the access panel for the fuel tank and shape the tops of the rear quarters, still to come.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...h/IMAG0114.jpg
This also solved the fender mounting situation.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...h/IMAG0118.jpg
Now looking at it, I think I need to chop the windshield down some more? I only took 2-1/2" the first go around. I'm thinking I should go another 1-1/2" Thoughts? OR...should I just lay it back a little? Give the windshield a little more rake?

Palepainter September 12th, 2010 09:25 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
No on the rake, but needs more chop. :)

JiI September 12th, 2010 09:39 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
If you find some NOS VW parts, you could restore it to stock!:thumbsup::grin:
Jeff

"Kid Casey" September 12th, 2010 11:26 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
keep it how it is.. i like it.. i like it alot

Steve September 12th, 2010 11:28 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Oh I like those new lines, Mark. :bow:

tirezan September 12th, 2010 11:36 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
A 4 inch chop worked great for me. It is an obvious chop, without being too extreme. Mainly , my my head will not stick up above the windshield and look like Herman Munster out for a cruise.

markh September 13th, 2010 07:26 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Looks like another 1-1/2" will come out. Looking at it again, it needs more of a chop. It will be one long and short car for sure. I'm going to take a look at the convertible frame tonight and see about what it's going to take to make it all work. I also have a rear deck lid venting and hinge section in mind. My uncle gave me the go ahead to cut out some sheet metal from a delivery truck he is going to scrap. Hopefully he doesn't scrap it before I get back out there tonight. Will solve my cooling/venting question. Stay tuned...I think it will be cool!

briancustoms September 13th, 2010 09:53 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Damn Mark, that thing is turning out pretty cool looking!:thumbsup:

Flipper_1938 September 13th, 2010 11:09 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
In my opinion, the rear is too flat now. There needs to be some elevation change or body line or something that seperates the decklid from the fender shape.


http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...h/IMAG0118.jpg

Unkl Ian September 13th, 2010 11:50 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Windshield needs to be layed back, for sure.

V8SuperBeetle September 13th, 2010 02:16 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
No chop. Add rake. IMHO.

Looking awesome!

http://www.cruisenewsonline.com/37Fo...eature-Top.jpg

http://www.cruisenewsonline.com/37Fo...atu-Bottom.jpg

V8SuperBeetle September 13th, 2010 02:18 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
The rear of this coupe reminds me of the front of a beetle, but with a super like trunk tip. If that makes sense.

V8SuperBeetle September 13th, 2010 02:20 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
What if you opened up the rear quarters. So it's shaped more like <==, instead of <=> this. Know what I mean?

markh October 12th, 2010 07:30 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Who makes that dual muffler exhaust? Have a nie ceramic coated header already and I had to scrap the single fat boy that was on it. I'm thinking a dual exhaust tip exhaust.

Been messing around in microsoft paint again and wanted to get some thoughts on the placement of things on the rear of the Volkster. I think the exhaust I have in mind, the tips would exit further out from center.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...lh/rearpan.jpg
The idea is to use LED strips and make my own flush mounted tail lights. Something I can mount from the backside leaving the bodyline clean.

Can anyone read my mind on the exhaust I'm trying to imagine?
Has anyone used LED strips and made up their own red lens covers? What type of material should one use? Thoughts?

Unkl Ian October 12th, 2010 07:43 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Find a larger late model lens, and cut it down, to get the right material.

66vw October 12th, 2010 08:01 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
red thick Lexan with a thinner and wider peace of lexan glued to the back side of it to bolt it the the fenders then sand down the lens so it is flush with the fenders.

66vw October 12th, 2010 08:11 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
http://customled.com/index.htm

hotrodheb October 12th, 2010 09:08 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by markh (Post 483330)
Can anyone read my mind on the exhaust I'm trying to imagine?


Well, there is this one...
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails....DD%2D2564%2D13

Or this one... (had this one on my volkstruck)
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails....ACC%2DD%2D2044

markh October 12th, 2010 10:46 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Ah...the dual quiet pack for a type 3. That's it! Rob, thanks for the link to cip, should have done that first. I might need to extend the exhaust tips to get them to stick out the "roll pan." Anybody have a solid one for sale for a fair price?

66vw, thanks for the link. Lots of bright stuff there. Looks like I have some more research to do on the design and how they will function considering tail,stop and turn functions.

Liking the idea of cutting down a red lens to fit my application. That makes sense, thank you.

Still undecided on the overall taillight design but I know I want to go with LED.

Palepainter October 12th, 2010 10:47 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
You need to add a reflector to the red lens piece. This will help to spread the light out the area of the lens. I use flourescent lens material that they put in suspended cielings.

This image is one of mine that will show you how well the reflector works. I use a tinted epoxy resin instead of the plexy.

http://www.mikelearn.com/gallery/full.php?gazimage=1021

tattooed_pariah October 12th, 2010 11:09 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Palepainter (Post 483358)
You need to add a reflector to the red lens piece. This will help to spread the light out the area of the lens. I use flourescent lens material that they put in suspended cielings.

This image is one of mine that will show you how well the reflector works. I use a tinted epoxy resin instead of the plexy.

http://www.mikelearn.com/gallery/full.php?gazimage=1021


That looks cool as hell! :thumbsup:

Palepainter October 12th, 2010 11:15 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Like Unkl Ian mentioned, you can find an OEM lens that has the reflector surfaces molded in, but if you use acrylic, you may want to consider the reflecting aspects of the light.

I have a bunch if they give you any ideas. Here are some fun ones.
http://www.mikelearn.com/gallery/full.php?gazimage=1245
http://www.mikelearn.com/gallery/full.php?gazimage=1218

Al Low Ha October 12th, 2010 11:42 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
That's some Bad Azz work there Painter!

Mark the coupe is looking so sweet! Here's a thought for taillights ready made...how about grafting in some 90's Caddy taillights....like the Chevy truck/suburban gus like to use...? i don't know if the lines will work but another thought is some early T-3 units grafted into the fender peaks....I thinking with the flat lenses though..lots of cool 40's early 50's American possibilities too. Just think'en!
Aloha!

1jarhead2 October 12th, 2010 08:40 PM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Hey Mark I have some 1939 Chevy sedan front turn signals that you could easily modify into rear tailights and they would look identical to 1937 Ford tailights only 1/3 of the size. They are yours if you can use them.

madmike October 13th, 2010 06:39 AM

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Sweet Lookin ride Mark,I'm doing a Coupe and thanks for ALL the Ideas:dancing:,Madmike

Hebster52 October 13th, 2010 07:29 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Palepainter (Post 483358)
You need to add a reflector to the red lens piece. This will help to spread the light out the area of the lens. I use flourescent lens material that they put in suspended cielings.

This image is one of mine that will show you how well the reflector works. I use a tinted epoxy resin instead of the plexy.

http://www.mikelearn.com/gallery/full.php?gazimage=1021

:chillin::thumbsup:

This is a technique I think should be covered in the "how to bin"!!:bow:

Budreaux October 13th, 2010 09:26 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Yeah, I'd like a little know how on that myself. Been thinking about how to do my taillight treatment for some time now and that has some real potential for my build as well

Steve White October 13th, 2010 10:15 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hebster52 (Post 483468)
:chillin::thumbsup:

This is a technique I think should be covered in the "how to bin"!!:bow:

:thumbsup:

markh October 13th, 2010 10:21 AM

Re: '37 Volkster Coupe
 
Great idea guys but Palepainter nailed it! Ok, now it's time to fess up...How does one do something that cool with their taillights.
I was looking around online and a number of hot rod suppliers have kits. Anywhere from $100-300 for LED strips in various lengths and shapes and come with acrylic lenses you sand down to make flush. My car budget for the '37 is taking a toll so a how-to would be great! Thanks, Mark


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