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Dbug41 January 29th, 2010 07:26 PM

BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
Newbies Ask your Qestions here:dancing:




Well the title says it all
I would like to call on all the Veteran Volksrodders out there to assist me in answering the many and wide variety of questions out there
The new people coming in Volksrodding are deserving of our knowledge and this will help keep the other threads clean as well when it gets moved to the tech bin

so newbies please ask away

and guys...um please play nice:funny:

Read this thread :thumbsup:

Beam Extender Install Walkthrough

http://www.volksrods.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29832

and this one too

How to build a volksrod..OFFICIAL NEWBIE GUIDE!!!

http://www.volksrods.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5617

Unkl Ian January 29th, 2010 07:48 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
Lets start with the obvious:
#1 click on the link and read everything. Twice.
http://www.volksrods.com/beamextensions.htm

Unkl Ian January 30th, 2010 09:38 AM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
Site says:

"**Mounting & steering shaft extension hardware NOT included.***"

Question: Exactly what hardware is required, and who sells it ?










Dbug41 January 30th, 2010 12:49 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
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the hardware required to mount the beam extender depends on how your going to do it.
I would drill out the threads in the frame head and double nut it with thick washers on the back side






Attachment 22330

This is the way Tequila did his and it works pretty well
he also extended the steering shaft


Palepainter did it this way
1. (4) 4 in 1/2 inch grade 8 bolts.
2. (8) Thick grade 8 washers.
3. (4) Split lock washers.
4. (4) Grade 8 nuts.
5. You will reuse the stock bolts that mount the beam to the frame head. Use these bolts to attach the extender.



Attachment 22331

Attachment 22332

as you can see there are many ways to do this
check these guys out they have everything you need

http://www.berrienbuggy.com/id121.htm

Attachment 22333Attachment 22339

http://www.appletreeauto.com/u-joints-c-85.html

you can pick up the hardware at any nut and bolt supplier, I recommend grade 8 and locking fasteners

penono2 January 30th, 2010 01:14 PM

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Im a little confused on the options offered. ie bj/bj bj/lp etc. it that referring to the type front end its mounting to? or tie rods? is one way better than another? for example i have a 1974 standard, plan on replacing with an adjustable front end and 10" extender. by the looks of it they all mount the same or am i missing something. being that im basically starting from scratch i wanna make sure i continue to move in the right direction, as i dont have the money to be ordering incorrectly! im am a newbie with volks so the more info the better. thanks in advanced!

Unkl Ian January 30th, 2010 01:49 PM

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Someone will know what years were what

BJ= Ball Joint
LP = Link Pin

The spacing on the tubes is different, so you can't bolt a bj beam onto a lp pan.

bugdust January 30th, 2010 02:00 PM

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bug was l/p through 65, b/j 66 and up

Unkl Ian January 30th, 2010 02:11 PM

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Link Pin was preferred by the Baja guys, because it allowed more wheel travel.
Some people prefer the look of the Link Pin shock towers.

Both work basically the same.

Unkl Ian January 30th, 2010 02:14 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dbug41 (Post 443745)
...and double nut it ...


Personal preference, I would rather use
Nyloc nuts where ever possible.

zuez January 30th, 2010 03:20 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
Ok, heres the questions,

1. On the 10" ball joint / ball joint - 2 1/2" drop, corrected for castor. Would I need to cut a notch in the hood/trunk/lid up front?

2. And would drop spindles, put the frontend dragging the ground?

3. Do you make a reverse hood hinge that mounts to the beam extender.

Al Low Ha January 30th, 2010 03:36 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
I'd totally agree with Uncle's statement, "Some people prefer the look of the Link Pin shock towers"....you betcha!

Link pin suspension was favored by us old offroads because it was much sturdier than the ball joint version! Stock ball joints themselves would fail under the strain of offroading. The boots would rip and before long 'blamo' apart comes the ball joint and race over!

Kinda the same when lowering the frontend excessivly....(even with lowering ball joints). The ball joints just don't hold as well as the good ol' king/link pin suspensions.

I just installed my 8" extender today...My tips would be to: 1st disco the battery,drain and remove the gas tank. Disco to steering column and remove the shaft for later. Then only unbolt the body from the pan(Loosen the 2 rear shock tower bolts to the max-remove the rest.)...do not remove it completely. Jack up the front of the body till you have enough clearance Clarence to roll the front beam out(leave the tires/rims on!). Bolt up the extender and lower the body down to see exactly where you want to chop/hack/grind/torch/cut the inner quarter panels and spare tire well. Mark it and raise it back up & start cutting. Once you have enough removed (you think) roll your beam back in and loosely bolt it to your extender to see what more you want to cut away.. AND remember to allow enough clearance for your tie rods when the suspension is bottomed out! Took me less than 30 mins. Still have to deal with brake lines and the steering shaft mods..
Aloha

Dbug41 January 30th, 2010 03:43 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zuez (Post 443779)
Ok, heres the questions,

1. On the 10" ball joint / ball joint - 2 1/2" drop, corrected for castor. Would I need to cut a notch in the hood/trunk/lid up front?

2. And would drop spindles, put the frontend dragging the ground?

3. Do you make a reverse hood hinge that mounts to the beam extender.

1. yes, unless you go center steer or rack and pinon
2. no if you use stock sized tires
3. no i do not and i don't plan on it:smile:

zuez January 30th, 2010 03:53 PM

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Thanks,Dbug41

AirheadZim January 30th, 2010 05:12 PM

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Now we're talking!!! The previous posts to this thread hellp me SO much. Ended some of the mystery of the build. Good to know we can use common hardware for at least bolting the extender up to our current frame head. The nyloc idea of Unk's seems like a good one to me. A trip to Lowes should solve that problem. The more I read, the more I want to do this to my T1/T4. As I said in a previous post, If a VR brother in FL wants to make a few extra $$ on a weekend and you have a small portable welder and skillz to help an ol' pegleg VR do this in a couple in months, please contact me.

Zim

tequilla January 30th, 2010 05:16 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Unkl Ian (Post 443773)
Personal preference, I would rather use
Nyloc nuts where ever possible.


I went the double nut route only because I purchased grade 8 bolts, washers and nuts. Although a standard nyloc nut after a grade 8 nut would be good. Do they make Nyloc nuts in grade 8?

dt113 January 30th, 2010 05:47 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tequilla (Post 443807)
I went the double nut route only because I purchased grade 8 bolts, washers and nuts. Although a standard nyloc nut after a grade 8 nut would be good. Do they make Nyloc nuts in grade 8?

I tapped the threads all the way thru, and used double nuts. I also added red loc-tite to everything.

My 2 cents

Dbug41 January 30th, 2010 08:42 PM

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Whozawhat your are correct, good call :thumbsup:

A beam extension brace is a must have
see speedfreak thread (search, beam extension thread)
it's pretty much a step buy step guide on how to do it

Attachment 22344

everyone has a different way of doing it so it would be in someones best interest to learn the search function.



~and now a word to the wise about the search function~
Seriously if you are new here please use it. It is your absolute best friend, it will not judge you, it will not call you an idiot, or lazy all the info is here already for you to make that discovery of knowledge to empower yourself and get to it!
I will do my best to explain everything so that it will be "idiot proof" but I know for a fact that it is an impossible task. Just when I think I got it handled, the universe will make a better idiot and send him our way

ssleeper February 1st, 2010 05:36 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
I noticed it your picture of the mounted extender that there is a brake master cylinder with a resivour on top. What is that from and will it fit on my 63?
Also I plan on using 1/4 plate for this extender, is that too thick? I don't mind adding some weight to the front end.
If you extend more than 8 inches to you need to add more than 8 degrees of caster to the front end? I want to extend the front end initially 10 inches on my first version but may want to go 12 inches. Do you need to add a degree of caster per inch of stretch?:panic::plasmacutter:

bigguy February 1st, 2010 05:40 PM

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volvo 240 i believe reservoir but i am sure i will be corrected if i am wrong.

Dbug41 February 1st, 2010 05:53 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ssleeper (Post 444169)
1. I noticed it your picture of the mounted extender that there is a brake master cylinder with a resivour on top. What is that from and will it fit on my 63?

2. Also I plan on using 1/4 plate for this extender, is that too thick?
I don't mind adding some weight to the front end.
3. If you extend more than 8 inches to you need to add more than 8 degrees of caster to the front end? I want to extend the front end initially 10 inches on my first version but may want to go 12 inches. Do you need to add a degree of caster per inch of stretch?:panic::plasmacutter:

1. Thats tequila's build ask him :thumbsup:
2. no thats what I use
3. its all about the rake and the stance you want to run the higher the rear in relationship to the front, the more caster you will need, if you want to run it Gasser style the less caster you will need :smile:

bugdust February 1st, 2010 05:59 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
I used 6mm (1/4") plate for the last extension I built, too.

ssleeper February 1st, 2010 06:12 PM

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Yes I want a combo of the gasser long wheelbase and the hot rod look. I am thinking of adding an old short tractor style grill like off an old ford 8N or something.

Dbug41 February 2nd, 2010 02:43 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
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I've been asked several times about steering shaft modification
here are some pic's of one I did for Al Low Ha


Attachment 22408

cut 7" out of the middle

Attachment 22409

Used an inner sleeve of 5/8" 18 ga tubing about 6" long
to help with alignment

Attachment 22410

leave a 3/32 gap to pound the weld in deep

Attachment 22411

that way the weld deserves minimal sanding to become flush

Attachment 22412

easy peasy qiuck sand blast and done



enjoy A Low Ha ! sent it today "priority"

Dbug41 February 11th, 2010 03:13 PM

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PureC4 February 11th, 2010 04:07 PM

Re: BEAM EXTENDER "FAQ" THE BASICS 101
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zuez (Post 443779)
Ok, heres the questions,

1. On the 10" ball joint / ball joint - 2 1/2" drop, corrected for castor. Would I need to cut a notch in the hood/trunk/lid up front?

2. And would drop spindles, put the frontend dragging the ground?

3. Do you make a reverse hood hinge that mounts to the beam extender.

Answer to
#3
Tilting the hood foreword is easy. I had some 1/4 plate from pieces of my original straight axle set up. Hard part was for a beginner welder to weld plate to sheet metal hood. Used a couple of grade 8 bolts. drilled a couple of holes in the beam uprights and done............. :funny: after a bunch of work fixing the burn through and warping of the hood!. But on the good side I don't hit my head any more working on stuff... like wiring or putting gas in! :thumbsup: Oh, and did I say I love Dbug's 10" extender...:ohmy:....:wink:


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