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Old December 9th, 2017, 07:11 PM   #1
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I just started a new job this week, and it's 106 miles from the house. Blah blah, I'm commuting.

I don't trust the "1835" that's in the car, so I want to build a new one. I'll use whatever I can from that engine, if anything.

I have two questions for those of you that know this stuff better than me.

1. What size engine do I build? I need to be able to buzz down I75 at 80 for 225 miles in a day (but not every day), and I need it to be very reliable.

2. There is an alternator on the car now, but I'm having a time seeing if it's working. I'm not running any unnecessary electronics. So, would it be reasonable to go back to a generator, or stick with the alternator?

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Old December 10th, 2017, 06:59 AM   #2
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Why don't you "trust the 1835?" It's been a very long time since I've built a VW engine, but waay back an 1835 dual port with a single Weber two stage 2bbl (It was a "Pinto Weber" back then ) was a good, reliable mill. The customer's engine would also generally include a bolt-on sump, an additional oil cooler and four into one exhaust. Obviously lots of the folks here have beaucoup more modern day experience than I do. Damn, that's long commute....
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Old December 10th, 2017, 11:31 AM   #3
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I don't trust it cause everything the guy did to the car is fubar. I'll get some pics to show what I mean. And I have no idea if it's really an 1835.

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Old December 11th, 2017, 03:31 AM   #4
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Have you considered a Subaru swap? I'm not bad mouthing air-cooled engines but my Subaru Legacy with a ej22 has been way less needy than my old 1600 was. I don't have this swap so I also don't know if it is reliable in a Beetle.
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Old December 11th, 2017, 03:37 AM   #5
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Have you considered maybe buying a little Toyota or Honda to commute with for dependability? Makes more sense to me, given the nature of your situation... especially if you're asking for recommendations on this part.

I digress... So far I've done a lot of research on this same subject for dependability and build costs control, and always come back to the "1776" builds simply because the information, parts and data are oout there in such abundance. The fact that so many have been built that it's almost a kit now (well... I think you can actually buy build kits for a few engine builds this being the most common)... So My vote would be 1776 for dependability.

Otherwise get a cheap Honda or Toyota and build your engine you WANT for your ride as money and time allows. You'd be miles ahead.
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Old December 11th, 2017, 10:25 PM   #6
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I can't have any more cars. I live in a single wide, and already have my dad's old F250, the Bug, a Z125, 3 Harleys, a tugboat, and a hydroplane.

Nothing against Subaru, but I'm a brand loyalist. I'm keeping a VW in my VW.

One of my other enthusiast friends also suggested a 1776, so I'll probably head that direction when the time comes.


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Old December 12th, 2017, 01:36 AM   #7
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.Nothing against Subaru, but I'm a brand loyalist. I'm keeping a VW in my VW.
Totally understandable. I am planning a build that I want to be able to take on trips so I think a Subaru engine is better suited for me. I'm kind of lazy and hate to always have to adjust and clean carbs.
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I've been told the with the Ford V8 in my Single Cab makes it "a travesty." So, I welded a VW hubcap center into each valve cover.
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Old December 13th, 2017, 12:13 AM   #9
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Your ride is a totally different animal.

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Old December 13th, 2017, 06:38 AM   #10
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A basic 1641 , weber/progressive 2bbl, on a freeway flyer trans, it will cruise nice and get up and move too.
I've had several over the years, only reason they gave me trouble was, well, I can't seem to keep my foot out of it when someone decides to give me shit. Repeated taching over 6grand in 3rd, well, something usually gives. lol
And not built with brand new parts. But my first engine in Dragon ran great. Even swapped it into a 71 bay for a while and it ran great.
87mm is slightly bigger than stock, not going to dump the bank acct, but big improvement.
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Will 1776 give you the HP you need to hold 80mph ?
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Old December 13th, 2017, 05:23 PM   #12
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This is a snowball waiting to happen.. lol

I drove a '73 Super with a stock engine (think it was only 1600, may have been 1641) for 3 years and that was fine for me.. then I had a 1776 built for my '72 Standard, and that was fine, but now I'm stockpiling parts for a 2276..

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My 1776 was a my daily driver and only car for 6 years. It never gave me any problems, and those six years were the ages of 20-26.. so I was hard on it. My average freeway cruising speed was 75-90mph and it ran fine, I was constantly zooming in and out of traffic to pass people.

What I'm trying to say is, if you want something to keep up with commute traffic in a 65mph area, a 1776 will do that and more and get good mileage to boot.. I've got dual weber 40IDFs and at it's best, I was getting about 25-35mpg.
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Old December 13th, 2017, 09:37 PM   #13
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I have a stock 1600 in my Volksrod, it was a gift from the best bunch of VW friends and family I know from right here at Volksrods.Com
I had to do a bunch of work to it because the original builder didn't know enough about them to be selling rebuilt engines, I basically had to tear it down and rebuild it myself, it's a long story, now it is 47 miles shy of 10,000, I put it in on 10-21-2014 and started driving it 130 miles a day for 6 to 7 months from the start, 100 of those miles were on the highway averaging about 60 to 70 mph, after that I drove it 100 miles every other Monday and Friday for another 5 months, now I average about 30 to 40 miles a week

As long as you willing to adjust the valves and change the oil every 3000 miles and not drive it like a race car it will last, I have gone a few times without changing the oil until 6000 miles but I have never went over 3500 miles without checking and adjusting the valves, the first time I did the valves they all needed adjusting, you usually hear when the need it, the last 2 times I only had a couple valves that needed adjusting, another thing people always asked me back in the late 80's and early 90's was why non of my VW's didn't sound like a typewriter, I told them about adjusting the valves, something they didnít know about

Just keep everything clean when assembling it and use quality parts and you should be good

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Have you considered moving or finding a job closer?
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Old December 17th, 2017, 04:03 AM   #15
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I'll move eventually, but until I feel like I have real job security, I won't.

Thanks for the input, folks. Ill probably pull it apart when I can to see what it really is. If it's an 1835, and is reusable, I'll do that. Cause if I build one from scratch, I'll go overboard

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Also depends on your budget.
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Didn't CB have engine kits ?
Preselected parts, for a matched combination.
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http://www.cbperformance.com/Builder...Kits-s/116.htm
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Old December 17th, 2017, 07:58 PM   #19
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I don't do budgets. I spend what I gotta to get what I want. Which is why I have a pair of wheels for one of my Harleys that cost me $2400. In other news, I'm a moron

I've seen the CB kits. I wonder if they're worth the money

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I'd say stick with the 1835 since you already have it, but go through it and make sure it has a counter-weighted crank and pay to get the whole rotating assembly balanced.
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Check some of the engine forums on Samba and STF.
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