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Old November 24th, 2014, 09:13 AM   #1
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I am really close to getting a 1975/77 VW Beetle, it was a baja but got wrecked and then was rebuilt with a 1977 body on it. It has some funky pipes hangin out the back and no places to hook up the original heater...I really wanna make this project something I can drive for like 3 seasons so having use of some sort of heat would be awesome. It also doesnt have much as far as engine tin work around the motor. So would it be easy to just restore the original tin work and hook stuff back like it was originally was??....

Also what types of exhaust systems allow some the use of a stock type heaters??

It also doesnt have the rubber seal around the motor either...I have been told you need to get that seal back in place if I am going to run a full truck lid...which it currently has a whole body on it...

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Old November 24th, 2014, 09:55 AM   #2
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Without the rubber seal, your engine will be running much hotter - I melted the condenser on my bug by not installing those, 20 minutes on the highway was enough to require a tow truck, but the repair itself was cheap.

If you currently have J tubes, you can replace them with heater boxes easily enough. I have a 12v space heater for my bus, but it's pretty much useless compared to actual VW heat (and yes, I am quite familiar with how little heat the average VW has!) and is mostly for while I'm parked.

You can also get a little 12v hair-dryer looking thing that's enough to keep the window defrosted in front of the driver. Heated seats are great. And an Eberspacher gas heater will give you the kind of heat you'd expect out of a modern car, but they aren't cheap.
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Like Stray Catalyst said, you need all the seals and engine tins to keep the engine from pulling hot air in and running hot.

I run stock heaterboxes on mine with a sedan style header. There are also orange seals that go on the hose that connects the boxes to the body. My heat works great. A good hood seal will keep the cold air from coming through the dash.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 03:59 AM   #4
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Like Stray Catalyst said, you need all the seals and engine tins to keep the engine from pulling hot air in and running hot.

I run stock heaterboxes on mine with a sedan style header. There are also orange seals that go on the hose that connects the boxes to the body. My heat works great. A good hood seal will keep the cold air from coming through the dash.
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I gotta couple of questions of course...what does a "sedan style header" look like???
Some of those high performance one's that I see kinda look silly to me....some of them look like a rats tail to me..

I did find a "cabin heater" on line that looks kinda cool too...
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http://dcthermal.com/catalog/sd12-40...ed-heater-copy

what do you guys think??

Any insight would be great...

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Old November 26th, 2014, 05:09 AM   #5
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The things I've heard about electric heaters like that is they drain the battery faster then. The generator can keep up... Or so the Samba saus. One option is to get a sent of bilge motors and install them where the y section of the heater channel is. These work nicely and with a flick of a switch will suck any heat out of the heater channels
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Old November 26th, 2014, 05:21 AM   #6
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The 300w 12v space heater I just got for my bus draws close to 30A - so if you also have a huge stereo and the lights going, you may well be drawing more power than your genny/alt will produce. I run mine off a deep cycle battery that charges while the bus is driving.

Volkswagens do produce adequate heat, if and only if every part of the heating system is maintained. One loose joint and you'll get less heat than a mouse fart, but if you ensure that every seal is good (including the orange ones that Timbo mentioned) then you'll have enough heat to stay warm most of the year... but it's not going to make the car comfortable during an upstate New York winter.
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http://www.cbperformance.com/Product...oductCode=3644

Link to CB Performance. Standard header with heater boxex. You can bolt on different mufflers or stinger.
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Ebay 12v ceramic heater:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RoadPro-12-V...item418b3c023d

Looks better than those old school JC Whitney ones that haven't change since the 80's.
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Ebay 12v ceramic heater:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RoadPro-12-V...item418b3c023d

Looks better than those old school JC Whitney ones that haven't change since the 80's.
That shows some promise.. and doesn't cost over 100 dollars. Those little ceramic heaters work great.
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Ebay 12v ceramic heater:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RoadPro-12-V...item418b3c023d

Looks better than those old school JC Whitney ones that haven't change since the 80's.
A friend gave me one like that, it was a ceramic heater, brand new, the box still had the plastic wrap around it, it put out a tiny bit of warm air & the blower didn't even move a hair on my head when held a few inches away (& I have some long hair), the little bit of heat it did put out wasn't nearly enough to keep you warm, unless of coarse you were able to put it under your coat & still drive

I just wear layers & a thick Down coat (antifreeze for AC VW's) as well nice thick gloves (cheap welding gloves) it also helps that I have heated seats, but, they only make your ass sweat, then, when you get out, you freeze your ass off

One day I hope to be able to buy a good working gas heater, everyone I have ever talked to who had one, said it made them TOO hot most of the time, my uncle had one in an old Bug he had back in the late 50's early 60's, he said his car heated better than anything else at the time
They're pricey, but worth every penny IF you plan to drive it daily in the winter


I just think warm thoughts when driving, I need to pack the front of it with plastic like I have done for many years, cept this time I may add velcro to the edges so it can't pull away, a new hood seal wouldn't help me



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http://www.cbperformance.com/Product...oductCode=3644

Link to CB Performance. Standard header with heater boxex. You can bolt on different mufflers or stinger.
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Is that price a fair price all that is included in this package? I am new at this VW stuff so I was just wondering.

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1 1/2 on a stock is a little too big. I just post the link of the pic for reference. Here is a link to more to choose from.
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http://www.cbperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=263

http://www.cbperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=264
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Gas heaters are good just make sure they're not leaking otherwise you'll get sleepy real quick.
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I don't recommend this but a friend of mine drives around with a lit Coleman heater in his bug.He claims it's safe but again I wouldn't recommend it.
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For those chilly winter drives in my water cooled Single Cab, I run a heater from a '69 Mini Cooper. It fits nicely into the little storage area beneath the seats, has three fan speeds, and keeps the cab toasty and windshield frost free.
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For those chilly winter drives in my water cooled Single Cab, I run a heater from a '69 Mini Cooper. It fits nicely into the little storage area beneath the seats, has three fan speeds, and keeps the cab toasty and windshield frost free.
I so need to get to work on my other Bug, just a bit of to go
thank ya for the Mini cooper heater idea, I have the heater parts from a few S10 Blazers & a Mustang, I just have no idea where to put them cause they are so large

I also found an old Kit Car magazine from 1982 or 83, it has an article from Scat, they designed a water cooled VW engine, you can buy just the cylinders & or heads, machine an AC VW case, or go all out & get the water cooled case, not sure if they still sell or make them, but my thought was to make my own water cooled cylinders banks & see if it creates enough heat to take the chill off, or at least defrost the windshield I guess it could be worth a try in the future


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I so need to get to work on my other Bug, just a bit of to go
thank ya for the Mini cooper heater idea, I have the heater parts from a few S10 Blazers & a Mustang, I just have no idea where to put them cause they are so large

I also found an old Kit Car magazine from 1982 or 83, it has an article from Scat, they designed a water cooled VW engine, you can buy just the cylinders & or heads, machine an AC VW case, or go all out & get the water cooled case, not sure if they still sell or make them, but my thought was to make my own water cooled cylinders banks & see if it creates enough heat to take the chill off, or at least defrost the windshield I guess it could be worth a try in the future


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Would be intriguing.. or maybe even make a water based heater box. So the heat from the exhaust is transfered into the coolant medium. An electric fuel pump can circulate the heat. Not sure how the heater system works on watercooled cars but I'm thinking parts taken from one could be adapted.
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