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Old February 11th, 2013, 10:05 AM   #1
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Hey guys I was wondering if you had any ideas on how I could mount shocks to my beetle. The ideal way would be to just buy a new axle beam and use Dbugs extender with frame brace but I'm kinda looking for ideas based on what I have. I purchased the car like this and the previous owner changed the suspension.







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Old February 11th, 2013, 11:21 AM   #2
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You sure do have that beam cranked around.. Looks like you're just aboutt out of travel..before the arms top out and start heading backwards..
You're going to run into problems if you continue to use it at that level..

Since you have a flipped arm beam.. You're limited..

Member Timbo (and others) use a flipped arm beam.. and he drives the living crap out of his Volksrod...
He uses friction shocks...Maybe you can come up with your own idea...

http://volksrods.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34905

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Old February 11th, 2013, 12:38 PM   #3
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"the previous owner changed the suspension."

Changeing implys it was replaced with something..... That looks super scary man. Volkswagnut has the right idea for you. I belive there is only about 4-5 guys that ever made a safe flipped beam. Sandfreaks is one of the few besides Timbo. Follow that build thread wagnut linked and you should be good to go.

Although its alot of thinking and being safe, personaly I would just get a new beam and the extender from Dbug..... but I am also one to use what I have most the time.
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Old February 11th, 2013, 02:47 PM   #4
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I'm glad you won't be on any Texas roads with that contraption! My advice would be to scrap the flipped beam and start over unless you really, really know what you're doing.
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Old February 11th, 2013, 04:39 PM   #5
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It's not road worthy yet. I don't plan on driving it until its safe but yes the previous owner flipped everything around. I have no idea why they did it this way I'm only trying to fix it without having to dump tons of money into it. I know brand new axle beams can be quite pricey. Is there anyway to mount a shock safely & securely?

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Old February 11th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #6
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Old February 11th, 2013, 05:05 PM   #7
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That solves nothing, it's a project car for a reason.
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Old February 11th, 2013, 05:12 PM   #8
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Look on craigslist for beams. They're there. Might give you a good opportunity to slowly (as to keep the cost down) to rebuild a beam and put some adjusters. Good experience to have, and you can lower it the right way.

Keep with it. You'll learn a lot, and it's totally worth it. Welcome to the site!
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Old February 11th, 2013, 05:52 PM   #9
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It looks like you lower shock mount is seriously wedged against the arm that holds the rubber bump stop. This is where you learn about the care and feeding of the VW torsion bar front end. I haven't worked on a type 1 in a long time. But can't you pull it apart and put it back together in a trailing configuration? Then you could check into lowering it the right way and if you want it extended, splurge for an extender. There is loads of info on this site. Welcome!
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Old February 11th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #10
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Lever shocks should work.
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Old February 11th, 2013, 06:19 PM   #11
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Check this thread, as there are 3 people offering beams, could be a cost effective fix.
http://www.volksrods.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36740
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Old February 11th, 2013, 10:06 PM   #12
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[QUOTE=V8Transporter;557441pull it apart and put it back together in a trailing configuration? Then you could check into lowering it the right way and if you want it extended, splurge for an extender. There is loads of info on this site. Welcome![/QUOTE]

Volks welcome to the VolksRod forum
You sound like A level headed intelligent guy.
You have a great project there and V8Trans has good advice.
Start by putting that frontend you allready have back together like it is supposed to be.
Speedway motors.com has friction shocks for pretty cheapo
Put that front end back the way it is supposed to be then put on some friction shocks from speedwaymotors.com
Get the rest of it sorted out & drive it for a while.
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there see everybody.. I CAN make a helpfull (not smartass) post
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Old February 12th, 2013, 01:41 AM   #14
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there see everybody.. I CAN make a helpfull (not smartass) post
We all know how hard it was for you to do that...

I would pat you on the back, but you know as well as anyone we don't like that nice hippy shit here. So next time you have a pinko moment... remember where you are.


Volks, of all the parts you might have to get, beams for some reason in a used condition are actualy rather cheep. I'm sure you don't still have the original shock towers sence someone else messed with it. Look around for an empty beam and just toss your extra parts in it, you will save alot of money and time that way.
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"there see everybody.. I CAN make a helpfull (not smartass) post "


I am sooo disappointed. Wait a minute...I'm right???
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Old February 14th, 2013, 03:59 PM   #16
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Welcome Volks.....like other have said - get another beam and start over.
I went down this road myself and after many failed attempts.... and one that actually worked I still went and got a beam extender. If your not willing to spend a little $$
on the important things like the front end or simply dont have the money. I would consider going another route than Volksrod. Or save up. This is not an area to fuck around with. That front end looks down right scary. Just adding shocks are not going to cut it. Its been turned so much that you have no movement at all.
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Old February 14th, 2013, 04:10 PM   #17
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OK..... I may be short on reading skills so bear with me.... I remember recently someone cutting the upper tube and mounting coil overs with lever blocks, on Solid bars to the upper trailing arms.... I think on a Formula V car..... Could this approach be done on this set up as well? The lever bars wer attatched to the coilovers, right down the middle of the tube.... probably cut about 10 inches out of the cneter of the upper tube, discarded the Springs and installed that solid rod for each side (For independent shocks), the shocks could be monuted pretty much any angle desired as long as there's physically enough room and nothing interferes with any other parts....
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I remember seeing an altered beam with shocks, centered up in front of the beam. but for this application, imo, one would have to run the solid rods through the bottom tube, and run spring plates in the top tube.

Not some thing I would attempt at this time, But would only solve the suspended issue. Imo it would do nothing to correct ackerman or castor.

Please correct me if I am wrong. One of the beams in question belongs to mkparker and a very innovative ride imho. The other is attached to an outlawed formula vee chassis.

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Please correct me if I am wrong. One of the beams in question belongs to mkparker and a very innovative ride imho. The other is attached to an outlawed formula vee chassis.

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I think that is correct.... Not many people building the down and dirty Volksrods are all hung up about Ackerman, or other more refined suspension Features. But I do believe all would be something to consider if the means are available.
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OK..... I may be short on reading skills so bear with me.... I remember recently someone cutting the upper tube and mounting coil overs with lever blocks, on Solid bars to the upper trailing arms.... I think on a Formula V car..... Could this approach be done on this set up as well? The lever bars wer attatched to the coilovers, right down the middle of the tube.... probably cut about 10 inches out of the cneter of the upper tube, discarded the Springs and installed that solid rod for each side (For independent shocks), the shocks could be monuted pretty much any angle desired as long as there's physically enough room and nothing interferes with any other parts....
http://www.volksrods.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36549
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Old February 15th, 2013, 02:29 PM   #21
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One of the beams in question belongs to mkparker
None of the cool center shock beams belong to me. I have scared up some pics in the past, but claim no ownership. Evolyn built a nice setup shown in the above link.
The best bet for volks, would be to get the beam out of the car and take a good look at it and go from there.
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Old February 15th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #22
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Mkparker, thanks for clearing up the ownership issue, evolyn is a cool ride none the less.

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Old February 16th, 2013, 07:51 AM   #23
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Damn - every time I look at those pics I'm glad that thing is parked until he figures it out
some more. The passenger side Shock mount is bent because it has no suspension movement at all. Volks - when you pull that beam off you need to pull the Arms off and make sure the idiot that had it before didn't just pull most of the leaves out to lower it.
If he did a cut and turn you could grind out the welds and return it back down to get some suspension back. Here is one Idea I was working on before I ditched the flipped arms.
I mounted some rear air shocks from a Mopar to the lower Shock mount the tied it into the front quarter were the Headlight wires used to come out. Then ran a support bar to each upper shock mount to tie them both together. I didnt get it done but I was then going to tie two verticle support bars to the Horizontal bar that would bolt to the Gas tank hold down locations. You can see in this pic that the PO had cut and turned this beam to far also which is why my Ball joints are almost bottoming out. I still had some suspension but not much. Once aired up I had quite a bit and could adjust the height by letting air out of the shocks.
I want to say while it seamed like it would work I never drove it.
So really cant say how it all handled. Being that my Fab skills are still in Newbie Land I ended up ditching the whole thing in favor of a DBUG extender which ALLOT of people had told me to do in the first place. I dont regret the time I spent since I know that front end inside and out now. Good Luck and keep us posted.

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I just wanted to let you guys know that I will be hooking Jake up with a used link pin beam, extender and frame head brace.
Jake's a good guy and friends don't let friends drive unsafe cars.

Just pay it forward buddy and pitch in to assist other noobies as you yourself learn to ropes. Don't worry about mistakes here, we are all Dicks, A-holes and Bitches but if your earnest, respectful and don't get but hurt your well on your way to being one of us in the freak show.
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Old February 17th, 2013, 07:24 AM   #25
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I just wanted to let you guys know that I will be hooking Jake up with a used link pin beam, extender and frame head brace.
Jake's a good guy and friends don't let friends drive unsafe cars.

Nice, gettin the best equips from the man.... grats volks.

Hes makeing it to the big time too, if ya didn't all know.

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