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Old August 16th, 2014, 10:05 PM   #1
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I went to the Cruise In tonight and was a little surprised at the number of VW's there. Must have been 6 or 7 plus a sand rail. This is just really unusual in my neck of the woods.

But there was also a Volksrod there. Based on probably a 63 or 64. Strange thing was he had a narrowed beam on it. About a 4 inch narrowed beam.

Maybe I'm missing something, but whats the point of a narrowed beam on a fenderless car?
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Old August 17th, 2014, 05:17 AM   #2
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Might have been left over from a lowered Cal Look.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 06:55 AM   #3
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Unkl Ian hit the nail on the head! My Volksrod will have a narrowed beam, the car was a lowered cal look car before it was wrecked, I don't see any need to change it, building this car on a budget and am just using what I already got!!!
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Old August 17th, 2014, 07:50 AM   #4
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Sup Doc...

On a Volksrod... its their car...their idea and creation...
No need to put any additional thought as to why something was used.

Maybe to be different or as mentioned and more likely... it was what was laying around to use.



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Old August 17th, 2014, 08:34 AM   #5
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I see it both ways. No reason to narrow a beam since the is not any clearance issues with out fenders but I also built using what I had. It also makes the rear look to have a wider track with the front narrowed. I say build what you like/want. We do not need any cookie cutter volksrods that are only 2-3 different styles.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 01:43 PM   #6
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I agree, sometimes we forget that it is truly what you the builder wants. Sometimes it is make do with what you have. Some are on shoe string budgets while others are? well you get the picture. To the builders in the back yard and all the rest GOOD LUCK.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 06:06 PM   #7
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Maybe I'm missing something, but whats the point of a narrowed beam on a fenderless car?
Since there are no photos of said vehicle it could mean, Dropped Spindles, Disc Brake Kit, Wheel Adapters, then some wide wheels, all add up. Maybe the owner HAD to narrow the beam just to bring things back into check.

I sometimes wonder why some stock VW's have Jackman wheels and white letter tires.

Since the steering (Ackerman) goes to hell and back on narrow beams it doesn't seem like someone did it for fun, but probably did it out of necessity.

Shock towers are a concern also. Some VRod beams still have them and prefer that they hug the body rather than flounder out in the wind. Makes for a tighter package.

And finally, I see many (not all) drag cars and salt flat cars with a more narrow front track than the rear. Maybe the guy had racing aspirations.
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The big thing is, he's driving around having a good time, and folks are checking his VR out.
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The big thing is, he's driving around having a good time, and folks are checking his VR out.
That's the best part, Friday when I was trying to get my car home using anything I could to keep the hoses on, I had lots of people stopping, asking questions, asking me what years it is, then telling me their first car was a 19-- Bug & how is was the funnest car they ever drove

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Old August 18th, 2014, 08:51 PM   #10
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That car used to be full fendered.Had the narrowed beam.He took the fenders off.
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A narrowed beam would pull the tires closer to the hood. If it was intentional, maybe the owner wanted to close the gap and have a tighter package up front.
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That car used to be full fendered.Had the narrowed beam.He took the fenders off.
Was that one of the Slowriders Danny?
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Was that one of the Slowriders Danny?
No but he comes to Marley Station nearly every Sat night,The car was for sale last year with full fenders.He took the fenders off,cut the aprons.added the head lights,put a Harley rear fender light on the deck lid, added upswept headers and upped the price.I think it has Chevy rally wheels on it now,painted red.
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HI Everybody

I am really new at this Volksrod thing but I have been reading as much as I can on them.

Does a narrowed beam affect the handling on these little cars? Coming from a oval track back ground I was always under the assumption that narrow track stuff was not as stable as wider track stuff...

The guys narrow them up so they can lower the front end more and the tires will be able to turn inside the front fenders better right??

Just wondering out loud thats all...
Any insight would great...

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That's pretty much it. Back in The Day, to make wide wheels fit under the fenders of my Corvair powered '71 bug, I widened all four fenders by 2" per side. Basically, I bolted on a set of beat up fenders, cut 'em off 2" from the body, did some snip, hammer and fill work, then welded a stock set (minus the mounting flange) of '60s fenders to these extensions. I think I sent pics of this to Drhax.
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That's pretty much it. Back in The Day, to make wide wheels fit under the fenders of my Corvair powered '71 bug, I widened all four fenders by 2" per side. Basically, I bolted on a set of beat up fenders, cut 'em off 2" from the body, did some snip, hammer and fill work, then welded a stock set (minus the mounting flange) of '60s fenders to these extensions. I think I sent pics of this to Drhax.
yeah if you want I could upload them here
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That would be great as I seem to be, as Ms. PM will agree, uploadingly challenged.
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I widened all four fenders by 2" per side. Basically, I bolted on a set of beat up fenders, cut 'em off 2" from the body, did some snip, hammer and fill work, then welded a stock set (minus the mounting flange) of '60s fenders to these extensions. I think I sent pics of this to Drhax.
That's pretty much what I did to mine, I added almost 3" to the tops/middle, and about 1 1/2" to the front/bottom and back/bottom. I did this to make them not appear to be widened but still give me tire clearance. The other advantages to welding 2 sets of fenders together is you don't need much bodywork, and it also moves the fender lips down and makes the car look lower.
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I'm having trouble getting the pics with my phone Damn thing refuses to allow me to download them. Still after seeing the pictures part of me wants to put fenders back on the 1968 nahhhh I'll keep it as is
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I would love to see the pictures of how you guys went about this...

I'm thinking of widening a pair myself but am a little baffled on how to obtain a stock look 😬



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I didn't take a lot of pictures but here they are, I had to put them on the samba. Not sure if they are in the right order. Basically I mounted the inner fender, cut "most" of it off, cut off the lip on the outer fender, then layed the outer fender over the inner strip where I wanted it, traced it out, final cut, and weld back together. SLOWLY. I had to do the left one in 3 pieces because the fenders I had were damaged in different places. Another thing to note, I worked back to front and by the time I got to the front, the outer fender was way longer than the inside fender, and I had to cut off the end, remove some material, and weld back on. Pretty straight forward, but I gotta be honest, it took me a long time.







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There you go. Nice work!
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PICTURE TIME!!!
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See I said I would upload them for you guys after work
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Thanks Doc, you rock! The photos were taken in '75. This and my also then Corvair powered Single Cab were my daily drivers. The bug was a '71 but I really liked the early fenders. Front tires were BR5013" on custom made rims. Rears were HR70 15" on Corvette rally wheels. Front suspension was Karmann Ghia with disc brakes and a Porsche steering box. With the mildly pumped up two carb Corvair engine (which sported a 390 cfm Holly 2 barrel on a home built manifold) she'd peg the 120 mph VDO speedo. Mileage with the 3.27 : 1 'Vair IRS transaxle and tall tires was 28 mpg on my trip to Colorado and back. She was pretty light and I carried either 50 lbs of sand or a couple of tool boxes up front. Yup, I ran bumpers front and rear.
I sold her in Nov. of '79 to finance a trip to Hawaii to see my then girl friend. This last part should actually be in the "Really Stupid Dumb-Sh*t Things I Did When I Was Young," thread. Ah, well.
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