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**jaransonT3** · February 23rd, 2005, 09:02 AM

I own a rusty '71 Fastback that I have been toying around with different ideas for for a bunch of years and was never really happy with any of them.

Then I found this forum and started noodling around ideas for my old '70 Vert and will still build that fenderless VolksRod. But I still didn't know what to do with the Fsatback. So I was e-mailiong back and forth with my bud Brian (1slo3) yesterday and had a moment of inspiration....influenced heavily by this forum and the ideas and cars flying around here all the time.

So, here is a my quick sketch of that "moment" that I had yesterday. Am also working on a 3/4 rearview with all the details.

Chop the windshield frame 2-3 inches
Re-contour the rear roof and glass for a late 50s/ early 60s style roof line
Go hardtop by removing the b-post and door top frame
Add some big chrome wrap around 50/60 style bumpers
mounted low on the body and tucked in tight
Lay down the stock Fasty decklid so the upper portion is more horizontal
Shave all the handles and emblems and stuff
Add some wide whites and salt disks
or maybe some painted rims (red?) with baby moons
Paint it all satin black
Maybe some pinstripe flames or old school scallops.

What do you all think? I am likely to have a go at this summer with my Fastback. The bottom 4 inches already need to be rebuilt due to rust, so I might as well channel it. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]

1slo3 · February 23rd, 2005, 09:22 AM

it almost looks like you could remove the roof and turn it 180* and almost get the needed contour.

me likey!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]

vwcolin · February 23rd, 2005, 09:24 AM

Sweet rendering....what about 53 Buick side trim?..like a 49-51 merc leadslead I always wanted to see a type 3 with that on it.

black_rat_bug · February 23rd, 2005, 09:29 AM

Looks great. Keep it simple...Needs fenderskirts, though. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]

**jaransonT3** · February 23rd, 2005, 10:45 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Looks great. Keep it simple...Needs fenderskirts, though. [/b][/quote]

I played with the shape of the rear wheel opening quite a bit before settling on the final shape. I like to see a bit of the wheel

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Sweet rendering....what about 53 Buick side trim?..like a 49-51 merc leadslead I always wanted to see a type 3 with that on it.[/b][/quote]

Thanks! I actually originally drew with some 57 Chevy 150 style side trim on it. Decided ultimately to keep it simple and smooth.

joedirt · February 23rd, 2005, 12:03 PM

hey, i missed this one!!....lovin this too...if you could get it this low it would look amazing, but then i am partial to ground scraping rides!!...keep up the good work dude and post some more!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

**Unkl Ian** · February 23rd, 2005, 12:18 PM

[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bowdown.gif[/img]
I used to think I knew how to draw.
Not any more. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rollingeyes.gif[/img]

Your rendering almost looks like a Ghia roof. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]
If I was going to all that trouble,I think I would lay the windshield back a little.

1slo3 · February 23rd, 2005, 12:22 PM

there ya go john, graft on a ghia roof and rear windshield! nice one unk [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

ecdez · February 23rd, 2005, 01:19 PM

I was thinking it looked like a Ghia roof also. Looks good man! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]

**jaransonT3** · February 23rd, 2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by ecdez@Feb 23 2005, 06:19 PM
I was thinking it looked like a Ghia roof also. Looks good man! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif[/img]
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It sort of has the same lines in profile, but when you see the 3/4 rear view, you will see that I am going for a more squared up look for the cross-car roofline. The Ghia roof is a little too rounded for the look I am after and a first look at it in Photoshop I think it is too small.

I am working on the 3/4 view tonight.

Stay tuned.

**Unkl Ian** · February 23rd, 2005, 03:41 PM

I hear ya' on the Ghia being round,
and the sail panels are not heavy enough,visually, for this look.

Here,I just pulled the top of the windshield back a little,
and rounded the transition into the roof.

And played with the tail lights and rear wheel opening.

pistolpete76 · February 23rd, 2005, 04:04 PM

it looks nice man even as is. I like the slant off the roof and the rear window etc. i was picturing it with some nice old school chrome side trim pieces too, but some apropriatly placed scallops would look nice

speedfreak · February 23rd, 2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by pistolpete76@Feb 23 2005, 06:04 PM
it looks nice man even as is. I like the slant off the roof and the rear window etc. i was picturing it with some nice old school chrome side trim pieces too, but some apropriatly placed scallops would look nice
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how about some lakes pipes [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img]

**jaransonT3** · February 23rd, 2005, 07:40 PM

Thought I would throw my "as drawn and scanned" picture of the 3/4 rear view up here. Sort of a before and after....of course the aer will take a little longer.

Anyway, you can see what I mean about the side glass being a bit stiffer and squared up than the Ghia roof would allow.

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gowjobs · February 23rd, 2005, 08:24 PM

If you're looking for a donor for that stainless roof trim, you might look into either '56 or '60-'61 Ford items.

Hmmm... what about a second-gen Corvair roof?

Dave

**jaransonT3** · February 25th, 2005, 08:57 PM

Making some progress on the rendering of my Type 3 VolksRod. Have defined the body color and some highlights and shading. I have also added in the wheels and tires. I think I like the painted wheels and baby moons better than the salt disks in the first drawing. Not sold on the red though.

What do you all think?
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tinbeater · February 25th, 2005, 08:59 PM

thats prettyfuckin sweet!!

Big Poppa · February 25th, 2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by jaransonT3@Feb 26 2005, 12:57 AM
Making some progress on the rendering of my Type 3 VolksRod. Have defined the body color and some highlights and shading. I have also added in the wheels and tires. I think I like the painted wheels and baby moons better than the salt disks in the first drawing. Not sold on the red though.

What do you all think?
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Starting to look my ghia now [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]

BTW: we blow up a 8x10 of the drawing and have been using it as our game plan, already painted the roof (using blitz black so we had to paint backwards) , de-bumpered it. I sandbastered the wheels today, and builded the handgrande shifter. so thanks alot.

**jaransonT3** · February 25th, 2005, 10:46 PM

Couldnt get to sleep tonight so I went ahead and finished my rendering of the Type 3 VolksRod.

Check it out!
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Bobnotch · February 26th, 2005, 09:18 AM

Man, when I saw that first sketch, I thought someone added a ghia roof to my Roadster, and chopped the windsheild. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif[/img] I like the look John, [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/licklips.gif[/img] it'll take some heavy duty measuring before breaking out the sawzall. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img] I think you're largest amount of work will be re-contouring the rear deck lid. You might want to look into going with a Notch lid, as it lays a little flatter, and might follow the contour better. This is how I did my Roadster, and it worked out sweet. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img] If you're going with the stock roof, you'll have to shorten it up some to get the porportions right. If I had a bigger pic of my Roadster, you might be able to work out how much you want to lay the "C" posts down in back. Fortunately for you, you're starting with a car that already has a trunk, as that was one of my biggest challenges (fabbing the hinges, and making it work [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img] ). Brian and I have kicking around the idea of me turning my Roadster into a t-3 heb, since I've already got a folding top mechanism here. I'm still not sure if I want to do that, as then I won't have an excuse to drive the Notch (when it's raining). [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img] Good luck with this project, and make sure you post some pics. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]

**jaransonT3** · February 26th, 2005, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gowjobs@Feb 24 2005, 01:24 AM
If you're looking for a donor for that stainless roof trim, you might look into either '56 or '60-'61 Ford items.

Hmmm... what about a second-gen Corvair roof?

Dave
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Actually I had just finished the cartoon of the 1960 Ford Starliner that is in my Gallery before coming up with this concept, so the stainless trim along the roof and the overall roofline was influenced by that vehicle. Would have to be scaled down a bunch to fit the shortened roof of the Type 3 though.

**jaransonT3** · February 26th, 2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Unkl Ian@Feb 23 2005, 08:41 PM
I hear ya' on the Ghia being round,
and the sail panels are not heavy enough,visually, for this look.

Here,I just pulled the top of the windshield back a little,
and rounded the transition into the roof.

And played with the tail lights and rear wheel opening.
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I actually was going for the "cab-forward" look of the late 50s/early 60s rooflines. They tend to have a more vertical windshield with long sloping rear glass and roof lines. I think that laying back the windshield gives it a more modern look.

I am going to consider some other taillights. Maybe a pair of caddy bullets on each side stacked vertical. One of the avatars on this forum has a ghia fender like this.

**jaransonT3** · February 26th, 2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Bobnotch@Feb 26 2005, 02:18 PM
Man, when I saw that first sketch, I thought someone added a ghia roof to my Roadster, and chopped the windsheild. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif[/img] I like the look John, [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/licklips.gif[/img] it'll take some heavy duty measuring before breaking out the sawzall. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img] I think you're largest amount of work will be re-contouring the rear deck lid. You might want to look into going with a Notch lid, as it lays a little flatter, and might follow the contour better. This is how I did my Roadster, and it worked out sweet.

I think I can just use the stock decklid and lay it down a bit flatter. It will make the back wall of the decklid slop foward more which will exaggerate the "fins" a little and move the hinge line forward and down.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img] If you're going with the stock roof, you'll have to shorten it up some to get the porportions right. If I had a bigger pic of my Roadster, you might be able to work out how much you want to lay the "C" posts down in back.
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I think the roof is going to end up being a custom fabbed thing around what ever glass I find to use for the rear window. I need to get out and do some measuring and then start checking cars in parking lots for something appropriate. Then go find it in a junkyard or new. I am considering making it a fairweather car, but not doing side glass. Just smooth it all out and go with hardtop doors (no frames). Maybe make some snap-in vinyl side curtains incase I run into rain on the way to a show or something. What do you all think?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Fortunately for you, you're starting with a car that already has a trunk, as that was one of my biggest challenges (fabbing the hinges, and making it work [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img] ). Brian and I have kicking around the idea of me turning my Roadster into a t-3 heb, since I've already got a folding top mechanism here. I'm still not sure if I want to do that, as then I won't have an excuse to drive the Notch (when it's raining). [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img]
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ahh, so you were the one Brian and I were noodling around ideas for. He wouldn't let the cat out of the bag.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Good luck with this project, and make sure you post some pics. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
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you might have to drive down to dearborn to give me a hand when it comes time to start hacking. Could use your experience. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

**jaransonT3** · February 26th, 2005, 05:32 PM

Played around some different colors and combinations tonight.

What do you all think?

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Bobnotch · February 27th, 2005, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaransonT3@Feb 26 2005, 05:59 PM
I think I can just use the stock decklid and lay it down a bit flatter. It will make the back wall of the decklid slop foward more which will exaggerate the "fins" a little and move the hinge line forward and down.

I think the roof is going to end up being a custom fabbed thing around what ever glass I find to use for the rear window. I need to get out and do some measuring and then start checking cars in parking lots for something appropriate. Then go find it in a junkyard or new. I am considering making it a fairweather car, but not doing side glass. Just smooth it all out and go with hardtop doors (no frames). Maybe make some snap-in vinyl side curtains incase I run into rain on the way to a show or something. What do you all think?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Brian and I have kicking around the idea of me turning my Roadster into a t-3 heb, since I've already got a folding top mechanism here.

ahh, so you were the one Brian and I were noodling around ideas for. He wouldn't let the cat out of the bag.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Good luck with this project, and make sure you post some pics. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
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you might have to drive down to dearborn to give me a hand when it comes time to start hacking. Could use your experience. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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I didn't know you and Brian were kicking around ideas, but I should have guessed he'd get a pro to help him. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bowdown.gif[/img]

Yeah, the "fins" will require some creative metal work, but if you've got some old rusty rear t-3 fenders laying around, then you can use them for some of the shapes you need. This was how I did the inside of my rear fenders, as I had some laying around. They look more like a Notch now. I could have extended them easily, or even frenched the tail lights on them, but that wasn't in my original plans.

The side curtains would work, but if you can figure out how to get some roll up rear windows like VW Colin did on his, that would be sweet. Yeah, it might take some searching to find a car with a roof you can use, but you never know. I got lucky when I found that Berretta hood fit so well for my rear filler deck. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

Just let me know when you're ready to start, and I'll take a ride down. No problem, and always glad to help if I can. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smilespin.gif[/img]