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Old April 11th, 2014, 03:32 AM   #51
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Old April 11th, 2014, 03:32 AM   #52
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Old April 11th, 2014, 03:34 AM   #53
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I'm in... Can I get #67? I'll need to go home and figure out which thread size - PayPal when I do.

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Edit - Just saw that 67 has been taken... No worries I'll take whatever.
how about #003? That is one everyone skipped over.. <G>
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Old April 11th, 2014, 05:21 AM   #54
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Oh my, from what I just read about the Empi shifter I have, I should probably be stoned for putting my new knob on it.
I'm guessing you have the same shifter I have, looks something like this: http://www.sandparts.com/servlet/the...Height,/Detail

I'm guessing if we wanna use this knob on that shifter, you're gonna need to have the bottom of it machined to match how the ball is machined on that one.. Unscrew it and take a look, I don't think it should take too much work..
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I've got the same shifter hanging up in my shop and threads are 9mm and 24 tpi, if that helps.
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I've got the same shifter hanging up in my shop and threads are 9mm and 24 tpi, if that helps.

that sounds about right.. I measured it YEARS ago with the grand idea of putting a barrel nut on it, and bending some bar stock, threading the end, and making a shifter extension than way :P
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I've got the same shifter hanging up in my shop and threads are 9mm and 24 tpi, if that helps.
I doubt it is 9mm x 24 tpi. They would never mix english and metric on one thread form.

Could be 9.0mm x 1.00. That would be about 25 tpi.

or it could be 3/8 fine thread which is 24 tpi but 9.5mm in diameter.

If someone can confirm it I can tap the knob for that size, but you will be on your own for a lock nut. I only ordered the three normal VW shifter metric sizes.
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I doubt it is 9mm x 24 tpi. They would never mix english and metric on one thread form.

Could be 9.0mm x 1.00. That would be about 25 tpi.

or it could be 3/8 fine thread which is 24 tpi but 9.5mm in diameter.

If someone can confirm it I can tap the knob for that size, but you will be on your own for a lock nut. I only ordered the three normal VW shifter metric sizes.

I know it was something REALLY oddball.. but really it's not a matter of just tapping.. it will also need a "shelf" (for lack of better wording..) to allow the trigger to pull up into the knob for reverse..

attached is a Quick and Dirty Drawing from paintbrush, it might explain a little better..
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Counterbore ?
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Counterbore ?

that sounds right.. i'll try and remember to take some pics/measurements when I get home tonight..

John, if you can do it, that'd be great, but if not, I had planned on just bringing my current ball and this knob to a shop and asking them to duplicate it..
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ok, so i'm a complete retard and not confident that I know how to read my dial indicators properly.. so i took pics so someone else could verify my numbers...

First the shifter threads and a general idea of how much movement the trigger needs (I didn't think about taking a pic with the trigger pulled up until right now...)



Here's the inside of the original ball:



Depth measurement of the counterbore.. I realized in the next step that I read that wrong.. it should NOT be 4.022, I think it's supposed to be .422



Depth to the bottom of the threaded part (see i fixed the previous error :P)



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And my thread gauge says the threads are SAE 24..

Hope that helps some..
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Need the OD on the thread.
crap, you're right.. next time i go outside for a smoke, i'll grab is and take a pic with the trigger pulled up..
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We might be making the EMPI shifter deal too complicated. Based on the pictures and dimensions you posted, the simple solution is to just mount the Volksrod shift as illustrated...

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I put the EMPI knob in there for comparison. The Volksrod knob will be a little taller.

If I read your notes right, the counter bore diameter is almost 3/4" in diameter. This is 19mm. The base of the Volksrod shift knob is only 23mm in diameter. If you tried to counter bore the Volksrod knob you would be left with a very thin (2mm thick) wall around the counter bore. That would be pretty fragile.
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I agree, just have to be careful not to pinch skin when trying to get into reverse :P

and i just came in from a smoke and didn't even think about getting the measurement until reading this :(
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..just have to be careful not to pinch skin when trying to get into reverse

Circumcision is supposed to take care of that....



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I think the Hurst thread is 3/8-24.
Nice work.
I came up with 3/8" NF via searching.. I think thats the same Also thers apparently a half an inch counter bore From the looks of it that won't work with these knobs... and I don't have the equipment to do such a task...damn.
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I think you are right John, your illustration make sense to me. Thanks
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Ok...please put me down for #62. Pay-Pal will be sent tuesday eve. Thanks man.....James -pilot hole only please-
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Ah ha! The threads on EMPI shifter hanging on my wall measure 9mm (.357", a bit less than 3/8") O.D. and the pitch checked with the metric gauge I finally found, is 1.00. Real close to 24 tpi but no Tap Magic would be required during the installation.
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Ah ha! The threads on EMPI shifter hanging on my wall measure 9mm (.357", a bit less than 3/8") O.D. and the pitch checked with the metric gauge I finally found, is 1.00. Real close to 24 tpi but no Tap Magic would be required during the installation.
and it's the same shifter as mine? I wonder why they switched threads? I bought mine in 2004 IIRC.. and 1.00 would NOT work.. but SAE 24 fits PERFECT..
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Mine came out of a '69 or '70 Squareback and I'd guess it's at least twenty years old. It's been hanging on my wall since '01. The EMPI lettering is smaller than yours too, with the EMP equally spaced and the I an extra .048" from the bottom of the P. The threaded area is only .400" long and the shoulder below it varies a few thou but is a rough 12mm. The casting that moves up is a rough 18 mm in diameter. There is a cast note in the base saying "Please Shift Responsibly", and another on the finger grip that states "For A Good Time Call..." but I can't make out the number.... If this is old and valuable, please PM me 'cause id like to retire some day.
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I see that entire thread posting before me and have to say.. How did I miss that!? Still that was my fear with mounting the shift knob like that. There's a little tiny OCD part of me that doesn't like that bare look, but a slightly taller shifter does sound nicer actually. I got a hurst one so shiftings quite wonderful when my old bug was working.. I'll see on sunday how I am doing money wise.. I should be fine I just need to see what I'm getting...
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I had two hood ornaments, but one went when I sold Bugsplat.
Lately between helping out a fellow VR's, Team Jess raffle tickets, currency exchange rates and our not so friendly tax man, I am seeing dust in the pocketbook,
but I still have the #29 hood ornament untouched awaiting the next suitable VR, so I had better get the #29 shift knob to continue the set, is it still available?

That is a 29 I am seeing engraved in the base right John? you have records.
Yup, #29 was one of your hood ornaments, Paul. I have you penciled in for the #29 shift knob.

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