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Old July 26th, 2008, 07:05 AM   #1
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Default hardener + rustoleum?

what kinda ratio or amount of hardener would work in a
gallon of rustoleum?
ultimate cheapskate that I am,I'll custom mix some grey
out of flat black and white.But I have no idea how many parts
of each to put in the gun
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Old July 26th, 2008, 08:19 AM   #2
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what kinda ratio or amount of hardener would work in a
gallon of rustoleum?
ultimate cheapskate that I am,I'll custom mix some grey
out of flat black and white.But I have no idea how many parts
of each to put in the gun
i just cut it with 50-50 paint and acetone. be careful how you mix. i know that i got the perfect color in the can but it dried hella lighter than what i wanted.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 09:00 AM   #3
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

so the acetone is the hardener?
funny coincidence,mom's manicurist retired recently and gave her a gallon of acetone that she gave to me
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Old July 26th, 2008, 09:03 AM   #4
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

Acetone is a solvent,definitely not a Hardener.

I think John Deere sells Hardener to go with their paint.Same with TSC.
Maybe check the instructions for them,and use the same amount.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 09:07 AM   #5
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what kinda ratio or amount of hardener would work in a
gallon of rustoleum?
ultimate cheapskate that I am,I'll custom mix some grey
out of flat black and white.But I have no idea how many parts
of each to put in the gun

when you thinking about doing it?
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Old July 26th, 2008, 09:21 AM   #6
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

not right away,gotta get some masterseries first to seal up some rusty bits,and collect the felts and stuff for the windows.

the bumpers and removeables will probly get done before the rest so I can reassemble it asap after I get it done
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Old July 26th, 2008, 09:39 AM   #7
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

Yeah you need an activator, and acetone won't work for ya. Go to your local paint store (automotive, of course) and bring the can of what you've got. They should be able to set you up. NAPA's got pretty cheap paint stuff that's decent.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 09:40 AM   #8
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

The acetone is just a reducer/solvent. The rustoleum has the hardner built in.
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

Just a question not an opinion.

Why use rustoleum and not a single stage type paint?
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. The rustoleum has the hardner built in.

If it had hardener in it,the stuff would go hard in the can before you bought it.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 11:15 AM   #12
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

If you bring Rustoleum with you they will most likely be of much help.
As they are locked into their own little world with blinders on and only what they sell will work with what they sell. Alot of people never think that some products can work for things other then what they are not intended for and the fact that it's cheap paint means right off that it won't work.
We have a Auto paint stroe connected to the building I work in and when asked for Enamel hardener the response was What brand of paint. I told them it doesn't matter I am just looking for generic enamel hardener. the response was well it won't work unless its the same name brand and we don't carry anything like that. We need to know what system and the part numbers beofre we can sell it to you.
Get them on the phone and say you have some enamel paint with no label and you want to use it on a Bicycle, then say I need Enamel hardener and everyone else i talked to says you can help me. Also I am gonna be doing a car project so I will be checking a price on some primer and asking for advice......
Now you got them on the hook for potential future sales and their reptutation is in play. they will be more helpful.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 11:21 AM   #13
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

Duplicolor now sells paint pre mixed and ready to put in a gun. its only 20. a can. might take two cans? could do a decent paint job under 40. they got about 6 colors to chose from and you can get it at most local kragens etc.

http://www.duplicolor.com/products/paintshop.html

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Old July 26th, 2008, 11:34 AM   #14
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

From what I understand: Rustoleum is an enamel, which I think is cured when water is evaporated from it?? No need for a hardener, but some people put hardener to make it cure quicker, etc. Epoxy, urethane, polyurethane, and some other types of paint is cured by a chemical reaction (paint + hardener = chemical reaction). So not all paints require a hardener
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

People add hardener in it to make it harder. Adds quite a bit of strength to it and turns OK product into a much better one at a much cheaper price.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 02:20 PM   #16
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

I used hardener with Rustoleum rusty metal primer,the brownish stuff.I don't know what brand it was or how much I used though.A friend had it in the shop and it was cold out so we dumped what he had in with 2 quarts of Rustoleum.Turned out good and it seems to have the made the paint harder.It's been on the car about 6 yrs now,still looks good and cleans up nice.
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

aha!
so dan any recollection on what size container that guy had that y'all threw in there-size of an inflight booze bottle?
bottle of hot sauce?
just get me in the ballpark here

Jon you are so right,ya gotta let them help you.If it means
BS so they feel OK,so be it.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 08:42 PM   #18
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so dan any recollection on what size container that guy had that y'all threw in there-size of an inflight booze bottle?
bottle of hot sauce?
just get me in the ballpark here

Jon you are so right,ya gotta let them help you.If it means
BS so they feel OK,so be it.
Nope,just want to let you know it worked.The Rustoleum was $7 a quart and the hardener was free.Don't remember the amount or brand of hardener we used.You can always mix a small amunt and spray some junk metal with it.If it works mix a larger batch.
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

The hardener cuts the drying time to about 20 minutes "dry to touch". Without it it takes about 10 hours for "dry to touch". The mix ratio is 1 pint per 1 gallon. Reduce with acetone to spray consistency. Mix enough to spray all you want. Pot life with hardener is 8 hours.

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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

would the same go for the john deere paint? meaning you can add hardner to speed shit up, or don't add hardener and just wait, but it will dry? I only just found a fairly local place to get the deere stuff and might try it on my baja.
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

I'm pretty sure the John Deere needs hardener. We've got drips on our mixing table that are still flexible/soft after a week...
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I sprayed my car with Rustoleum & just reduced it with acetone & shot it

I havent had any problems with it, & for the $$$ would totally do it again
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

saw some stuff at the hardware store called "japan drier"
did a little reading about it and it sounds like the same kinda stuff as hardener

after I collect some $$ I'ma do a little test
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Old August 29th, 2008, 08:42 PM   #25
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Default Re: hardener + rustoleum?

John Deere paint is an epoxy paint. Use the J. Deere hardner with it. Painted a truck with it about 8 yrs ago, and it still looks good.

1 gal of paint is around $25.00. Don't remember on the hardner.
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